Forum topic: Long term view

#7 by Dan 'Ross Brawn... Mills
But Adam, very few (if any) staff sign for less than the demand range.

The last 4 or 5 people I have signed have been below their demands. Some are way below and at least one was a highly rated driver and another a highly rated staff member.

#7 by Dan 'Ross Brawn... Mills
And there is definitely a catch in the system that if the range is, say, 1,000-10,000 and you start with 5,000, then you can never offer less than 5,000 thereafter because it sets some sort of invisible hurdle in the demands when re-negociating. As if they know they are sought after.

Never seen that problem. I've been able to offer less than previous and it's allowed me to and not affected anything.

#7 by Dan 'Ross Brawn... Mills
Then if you start at 1,000 you end up going up increments all the way to 10,000 and often over which usually ends up worse.

It seems you are better starting with a higher number they accept than ball chasing figures.

I've tried this numerous times with success.

And that is one of the reasons why the demand section on the negotiation screen should be scrapped. Users over pay for people and then end up bankrupt or new users come along and offer more than what the demand is and sign them. Then they quit because their team is screwed up financially. If they can't see what the person wants then it is unlikely you are going to over pay them as you can see what they are currently getting or what people around that rank are getting paid.

#7 by Dan 'Ross Brawn... Mills
Point is - they rarely accept lower offers. Which means ALL staff wages will price themselves up and up exponentially to the point of unaffordability as there is no current system of wage reduction or drop rate.

As I have said above, they do accept less. It's just users try to pay what the person wants and then when it comes to the next contract, they want more so the user does it again. The system is there, it's just the users don't follow it.

#8 by James Ford
I think their real demands jump only when they become tired of negotiating, I may be wrong though!

They do. Spend too long negotiating and their demands go up. You even get a warning before it goes up too much.

#9 by Daniel Stevens
they will only sign for less if unemployed - then will get the hump half way through first season and demand more anyway!

Even if they are employed they will sign for less. You don't need a full sheet of green ticks to get the deal. This has been the same since the game started BETA and yet people seem to have forgotten that since the demands bit came in.

Yeh, it is rare for staff to sign for less, but they do do it.

A a big fix would be to have staff not become so irate so soon when signing a contract; and to have the demands drop if they are out of service much quicker.

The demand hint is good because we didn't know what to offer. If you offered 10k and the demand was a hidden value of 100k, and you only went up in 10k amounts, after 5 negociations and up to 50k, the staff member would be too annoyed and not want to go further.

The hint is a good feature and I'd say it is needed to gauge prices.

I agree Nicklaus, the demand gives a lot better idea than stabbing in the dark.

Regarding signing for less, yes it is may be possible to sign without all green ticks (I normally find that if you get green ticks on all but one, then you can get away with a lot lower in that one area) but it doesn't seem very common.

I pay attention to the comment at the bottom, to gauge whether they will sign or not.

I don't recall signing too many people who say they aren't interested in the offer or call it a joke..

I accidentally signed a commercial I assumed wouldn't join as the feedback was poor. Didn't pull back, just left it.

The idiot signed. 300k wage. Multi seasons and will cost me 9m to ditch.

So there are exceptions!

Very common to sign staff or drivers for less as it comes down to demand and power position of the person.

If you are the only one negotiating with such staff/driver then they will accept since it's either work or don't!

I found a driver wanting a 4k wage, pulled back. Went to offer again and pull back 5 or 6 times and his demand and expectation went to over 60k!

This is actually only happening since the drivers opinion of your team is low. Every time you pull back you damage your relationship with the staff/driver you are trying to sign thus they change their position only for your team thus demand more since they think lowly of your team.

Think about any "Bad" employer in your city/town etc... Why would you work for them if another "better" company is offering the same?

Question - can this be manipulated in real time, if say, 10 teams approached a driver (worth only 50k) all at once to falsify his demands and self value to boost the deal?

ie, popularity making a 50k driver sign for 250k?

Or is the driver negociating power only influenced by time out of work / existing contracts?

Yes, unsigned unknowns will sign for very little - but are unscoutable so the only option is to sign a dozen and hope some are decent...

Which takes a BIG hit on team morale having to sign and sack.

And even then you can sign 10 unknowns to test and there is no guarantee the scout will report on those in the right order!

Question - can this be manipulated in real time, if say, 10 teams approached a driver (worth only 50k) all at once to falsify his demands and self value to boost the deal?

Answer: No, the driver has set value in mind that he thinks is value is so if all teams offer a fair offer he will pick between the fair offers. They also weigh some aspects differently then others like bonuses, salary and division. So a division 1 team is more likely to sign a driver then a division 3 team if the offer is fair.

What you are talking about is the fact that teams have the perceived idea that it's a bidding war for such drivers; which is some ways it is so the higher offer is more likely to get accept, but there are other factors. So it's really down to a manager really over paying for such driver that takes him from 50K to 250K; not the driver himself pushing his demands.

Or is the driver negociating power only influenced by time out of work / existing contracts?[/q]

Drivers power position is influenced by a few different aspects from drivers overall ranking, wins, championships, podiums & professionalism.

Sadly, As mentioned so where else (by someone else) the weight that the drivers take some of these aspects are blown out of perspective since they give the same ranking to a win in division 3 as the same as a win in division 1 meaning a terrible driver that collects a few wins in division 3 can be see his power position change heavily in his favor based on a few results. Thus the ranking system is broken.