Forum topic: Staff bonus - should staff get bonus for both drivers or only for better placed driver

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698 races

22 championships

107 wins

238 podiums

Current team

There was a discussion on the chat channel that staff should only get bonus for the better placed driver.

The current model that the staff gets bonus for both driver is quite expensive and may force teams to sandbag to prevent to go bankrupt

May 10, 2016 11:40 am

New Zealand Daan M

944 races

25 championships

100 wins

258 podiums

Current team

United Kingdom TNF1
Division 2.1

Or only highest driver and head staff only .
May 10, 2016 10:07 pm

Japan Robert Bouchard

Shinshiro, Aichi, Japan

419 races

5 championships

16 wins

94 podiums

Current team

Japan Yamakawa F1 Team

Sorry, I am going to disagree with this whole topic as I think that you should pay all bonuses for both drivers since it limits teams or should I say forces them to look at different ways of stay competitive.

Research & develop or sign that superb driver with huge wages and bonuses. Same with the staff members.

This should stop teams from running huge development teams with say all superb heads & 2 all superb juniors as it would simple cost to much to be effective.

While I would have agreed when I was running my other team in division 1; that would have mainly due to the fact that I would have wanted my cake and eating too syndrome as I had a Very Good to Superb car due to have all superb designer and juniors plus to very good drivers if not the best in Weldon.

It cost me an arm and leg to keep the team that way as it should have. It was unmanageable but it allows others a chance at such staff members and drivers.

Issue I see currently is the fact that all the changes have really took place after season 2 when a whole bunch of teams cashed in by hoarding cash so most of the teams that started in season 1 or 2 that did this have huge bank accounts that will take seasons if not forever before they run them dry.

This should have been reset when the changes where made to increase the cost of drivers and such to balance the playing field.

Same goes for the development of cars since it didn't work correctly in the first few season allow teams to hit all Superb parts quickly and maintain them easily. I don't hear to many complaints from these top teams so I am guessing the new research and stat drops aren't really causing to many headaches to the larger teams and they are able to maintain a decent level?

As a team that is starting out I cannot research as my max level is awful; either due to poor designer or morale of my staff; could even be both!! LOL!! But I am currently going no where fast with my development but the nice aspect I guess is I can save money!!
May 11, 2016 03:33 pm

United Kingdom John Humphreys

443 races

16 championships

74 wins

193 podiums

Current team

United Kingdom TL Junior

But wouldn't you say its wrong that staff get double bonuses? One for each drivers' finishing position.

I think that all staff should get a bonus, but only for the highest finished driver. And drivers should get the bonus related to their own finishing position.

I think that's the most logical solution and system. Most people (like myself) probably assumed that's how it was when offering bonuses in contracts.

May 11, 2016 04:53 pm

United Kingdom James Ford

London

134 races

6 championships

19 wins

55 podiums

Current team

I paid out 4.7M in bonuses last race but only have 1 head who earns high bonuses (1M win+800k podium). And I'm losing him after next season as I couldn't compete on wages...
May 11, 2016 08:50 pm

Japan Robert Bouchard

Shinshiro, Aichi, Japan

419 races

5 championships

16 wins

94 podiums

Current team

Japan Yamakawa F1 Team

@ John: It depends on how you look at the contract signed by the staff member; Did they sign their bonuses based on team results or driver results?

If I was a scout or coach of a team then I would expect it to be based on the drivers results not the team results so would expect bonuses paid for both drivers results. (Guess you could add Engineers (Mechanics) here too)

But Commercial and designer I guess would be based on the team results so I guess that we need to have a two tier bonuses structure.

So I guess what you are asking is for a team based result bonuses rather then driver based bonuses?

I could careless either I guess as long as the bonuses are large enough to force teams to look at different strategy and forced to change staff or risk going bankrupt.
May 12, 2016 06:18 am

Japan Robert Bouchard

Shinshiro, Aichi, Japan

419 races

5 championships

16 wins

94 podiums

Current team

Japan Yamakawa F1 Team

After thought: Does that mean the drivers also get the team based result or individual based result?

If you are looking for a team based result then a win for the team is a win for the driver?!?

So both drivers should get their win bonuses and championship bonuses at the end of the season!!

I think adding team bonuses and individual bonuses would be a smart way of fixing this and increase the bonuses paid out. Also a nice addition to negoications
May 12, 2016 06:22 am

New Zealand Daan M

944 races

25 championships

100 wins

258 podiums

Current team

United Kingdom TNF1
Division 2.1

The problem is Richard that the ideology of having either superb staff or a superb car and not both doesn't solve the alternative option at all, it just passes the other massive problem of blind signing cheaper contracts and the current exponential wages along the line.

It's all good on paper, but the current staff wage levels are getting stupid to the point no driver wage will outweigh a great car.

And nobody is going to sacrifice and risk all on hoping to find a great driver when they're both too expensive; or are too tine consuming to reveal. It's not in favour of the player right now.

I said by the end of season 7/8 the market will implode as most second signing extensions of drivers will have ended.

We're already seeing 2m bonuses per driver? I don't think so. That 2m is better spent on the car AND paying a decent designer, that's not even debatable!

The current values need fixing to decrease the salary growth expectation currently in place to preserve future markets.

If its user based driving salaries then a form of cap needs implemented to stop offering silly amounts from newbie teams in week 1 or simply releasing drivers IMMEDIATELY when a team goes bankrupt.

This stops a bogus signing of a silly high wage in week 1, going bankrupt in week 4 and tip driver talent being taken out the market for several seasons.

Again, not debatable as I predicted it AND it happened.

May 12, 2016 10:10 am

Bahrain Nelson Dog

730 races

13 championships

70 wins

237 podiums

Current team

I agree - Staff bonuses (not driver bonuses) should either be limited to Head staff positions, or be given only for the highest placed car.

The bonus system was introduced before junior staff became more important. With the recent need to employ more juniors, the bonus system will get out of hand unless it's limited in some way.
May 12, 2016 12:27 pm

Japan Robert Bouchard

Shinshiro, Aichi, Japan

419 races

5 championships

16 wins

94 podiums

Current team

Japan Yamakawa F1 Team

@Dan: Do you understand that I don't read your post when you cannot even get my name correct. And if I am correct you think you are funny by calling me Richard. Most understand this reference and it is insulting so I suggest you stop before I flag this for you to be banned from the game!!

Hard to take ideas serious when you are being insulting!!
May 13, 2016 07:12 am

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