Forum topic: Staff bonus - should staff get bonus for both drivers or only for better placed driver

#20 by Patrick Price
I think the solution is in no small part to increase the prize money for wins and podiums. As there is a distinction between the amount a staff member wants as a bonus, this should be reflected in the value of the prize money. For instance, 1,000,000 for 3rd, 1,250,000 for second and 1,500,000 for a win. The prize money shouldn't be silly money, but it should make it more worth while winning.

what a staff member wants is one thing, what you actually give them is another. If the staff want an amount that you can't afford then don't sign them.

I think that you've misunderstood me Adam. It's not the individual demand, but the cumulative effect of win and podium bonuses across the entire staff. I think the podium and win prize money should be a little more than it currently is. Not all the prize money, but the podium places as these are specified as a separate condition during negotiations.

Don't get me wrong, if you've signed team members and offered them massive bonuses then you've got to deal with the pain that that causes you, I have just sacked a driver who was costing too much in bonuses and he wasn't really excessive, just that the cumulative effect was too much.

#21 by Adam Eggbeer
what a staff member wants is one thing, what you actually give them is another. If the staff want an amount that you can't afford then don't sign them

But the way the game currently works, staff just simple climb up price themselves out of the equation. It's a one way ticket, wages go up and up until they are not affordable. This is bad.

It also means those who signed them first reap the rewards of getting them cheaper, sign long term, as soon as that deal expires or is too expensive, they are released, but unaffordable to anyone else.

That isn't right.

The drop rate of staff expectation and demand needs to be addressed relating to length of unemployment (ie, 2 seasons out of work) or a demand change as the closing few weeks of a new season occur and that person is desperate to take a role.

The only way to maintain wage costs is to sign progressively worse staff?

Or to find good staff that still exist but are unknown. There are loads and loads of staff/drivers out there, ive found a few okay ones before and I seem to be doing alright with them, no superstars in my team.

Tom you do talk some rubbish sometimes mate lol! You do have superstars in your team. Look at your drivers and staff and tell me honestly there are no superbs? Don't fool us, I've scouted you left right and centre!

I would ask why should the game dynamics continue so that it becomes a state where everything thins out and we all hunt unknowns because we've priced ourselves out?

Problem is that this will only recycle and repeat and the age of unaffordable drivers will get lower and lower.

In a few seasons the proper fully trained youths will emerge trained from aged 6. They will be demanding stupid high contracts by the age of 22. Some already do. This is down to the fact the 'demands' are always too high, and with each new contract these demands go up and up.

All that will happen is everyone will be forced to either race unknowns; or have financially retired 22 year olds.

So either you are rich and you make a big bid and sign them long term; or you go without.

That isn't fair on others. I am saying this as a very rich team with the mindset of new players and poor teams.

@Nicklaus: I think you are wrong to think all youth drivers will be unaffordable since it actually works in your favor now to have a youth program with drivers developing from a young age since you can lock them up for cheap contracts for great lengths of time.

Yes, You will need to watch for poachers but I think you are being near sighted on your drivers approach. Think long term with a youth driver and build car slowly so that you reach success towards a time period when both driver and car reach similar values.

Staff on the other hand since we cannot train will be where majority of the cost of your team will be and could be price out of a superb staff.

I also agree that more money should be given for podiums & wins since I don't think this was accounted for with the current pay structure when paying bonuses to all your staff members.

Right now we have a system of win and go bankrupt; while do poorly and be rewarded!!

That's a good summary at the end, and very true!

The game state favours doing little and cashing in. The incentive to push is extremely low by comparison. It isn't sustainable, and therefore driven on by pride.

I think most of us would rather play the game slowly for 10 seasons than throw it all at one attempt at success getting to Div 1.

#23 by Nicklaus Gunterberg
But the way the game currently works, staff just simple climb up price themselves out of the equation. It's a one way ticket, wages go up and up until they are not affordable. This is bad.

It also means those who signed them first reap the rewards of getting them cheaper, sign long term, as soon as that deal expires or is too expensive, they are released, but unaffordable to anyone else.

That isn't right.

The drop rate of staff expectation and demand needs to be addressed relating to length of unemployment (ie, 2 seasons out of work) or a demand change as the closing few weeks of a new season occur and that person is desperate to take a role.

The biggest flaw in all this is being able to see the demands of the person. People automatically think that is what they have to pay them. As a result, they sign the highly paid contract and then ask for more the next time. Persons will sign for less than they ask for.

As for the last paragraph, that already happens.

Don't think ive ever seen anyone (staff/drivers) with a Superb stat, aside from Experience and Starts that is.

I agree that some tweaks are required but I think expensive contracts are affordable if people would budget properly. I have noticed that not all staff want crazy contracts, I have found people in the top 30 that are happy with less than 500k per week, choosing weather to seek out these people or pay 1.5m for a money grabbing Adrian Newey is a choice the manager just has to make. In reality you just need a good designer and a couple of okay drivers to get some success, all other staff you can either ignore (e.g. scouts/coachs) or just go cheap on (commercials/mechanics).