Forum topic: Staff problems

Belgium Frank Van Laere Pitwall Administrator

Lokeren

298 races

1 championships

9 wins

34 podiums

Current team

Belgium Skylark Racing
Division 3.2

I just made a big post in the other topic by Tim but it contains info that also belongs here, so I'll also post a part of the post here:
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#1 by Tim Watts
Now in real life when a person signs a contract they "generally" honor it and normally once they have signed they realize that its done and dusted and they can concentrate on racing until they need to sign again. Generally the only thing that will drop moral is poor performance, being bored, bad press etc. And the only times we see people re negotiating contract is either when a new one is due or their role changes. e.g 1st driver to test driver.

If say one of my current drivers decides he isnt happy with what his contract is he gets the shits his/her moral drops until he gets what he wants. making him slower
I from here have the choice of making my driver honor his contract as he signed which will make him slower with a moral drop.
Or i can RESIGN him and make him happier which will drop my moral lol.


#4 by Tim Watts
I still find that the Moral drop for already signed and agreed contracts is a bit much and i agree the system needs to change. I dont think a moral drop is the way to go though. It kind of punishes teams for doing what we were allowed to do. And isnt very realistic for staff to want a new contract for their already signed contract terms


First of all: breaking open contracts and replacing them with a new contract happens all the time in the sporting world. Not just in football, also in F1 (Hamilton this season, Vettel back in 2013 until 2015, etc.).

If a driver wants to break open a contract, they feel they either want to extend their deal with the team because they're happy or they feel they're massively underpaid. It's not a coincidence that Lewis Hamilton didn't want to delay his contract talks last season before clinching the championship title. It massively improved his negotiation position (or power position in Pitwall terms), and it improved his new contract by 9m pounds a year if I remember correctly.

Now imagine you're in the Pitwall world. Due to reasons people used to accept everything, even a salary of 1,- if you were an unknown but amazing driver. You've done 2 seasons and you've earned a whopping 25,- in the past 25 weeks. Of course you're going to be unhappy when the system allows you to be unhappy over it.
You might think okay yeah, but the 1,- is exceptional. That's true and not true. It's not exceptional that persons were massively underpaid. Salaries are supposed to be the number one cost of a team, as it's probably the most important asset of a team. Whereas the number one driver has the biggest salary. Now this hasn't been the case.
I normally don't do this, but to give you all an idea I will exceptionally share some economical details. The average bank balance (which equals to money that is sitting in a bank, as a reserve) of all teams currently is 25 million. Not negative 25 million, but positive 25 million. And of all teams there are 15 teams that have a bank balance of more than 100 million. Agreed, some are due to selling shares, but most of these teams have done so by acquiring millions per week, in only 25 weeks (!). If this situation continued then there would've been a massive balancing issue (if there isn't already one) with teams who were able to use a sort of exploit that was tolerated (no offense to them, I like it how people try different sorts of ways to get a winning way; I just had to close that way as that was never intended to be there) to get a winning team.
Not that I want to sound like a big jackass/showoff, but: I've got quite some experience in managing a game like this, I have a master degree in economics, I know what I'm doing. This was a no-brainer in regards of how fast this one should be closed.

#1 by Tim Watts
Can the moral drop be staggered over the next say three season so next season their moral wont really drop much then season 4 drop by a little more then 5 drop a little more, than 6 full swing into moral drop if they aren't being treated well.

Looking into the future when this system has been running there wont be much of a issue but I will be annoyed if one of my drivers who was say on $400,000 a year with a 4 year contract decided one year in he was worth a lot more cause he came second in a season and im strong armed into paying him more when we have a legitimate contract.

This is actually sort of the case. When a person is unhappy there are several ways of being unhappy. The real algorithm is a bit more complex than this so this is a more straightforward example and I'm not using the real numbers, just examples.
He is paid: 5 000, he rates himself 7 000: 5000/7000 => He is only paid at 71%. He might complain, but probably not.
He is paid: 300 000, he rates himself 210 000: 300000/210000=> He is only paid at 143%. He is going to stay dancing on the table silently.
He is paid: 100, he rates himself 125 000: 100/125000 => He is only paid at 0.08%. I'm going to guess he's going to the most extreme unhappy in the game as you can be. This means his morale will drop massively.
He is paid: 50 000, he rates himself 125 000: 50000/125000 => He is only paid at 40%. He's going to be unhappy (ie. lose morale) on a medium scale let's say.
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#54 by Matthew Dellit
Here's a stupid problem for you to explain then Frank, why does one of my 8 year old drivers, who wants a new contract, not want to accept the role of Youth Driver, when he can't be offered anything other than youth Driver?

Youth races count for youth drivers btw don't they? If not, then there is going to be a lot of problems coming up very soon.

I looked into it and indeed it was a bug which has been fixed now. Let me know the driver in a ticket if you want to get rid of that.

#57 by Jake Lewis
I know, but even normal staff, come on, if it won't broke don't fix it just try and make tiny changes not big ones


The old system was MASSIVELY broken. I go on about it in the post from the other topic (see above).

#67 by Matthew Dellit
I just want to add as a point, I know a lot of people are freaking out over this, but if we are all in the same boat (ie none of us, or only those that are silly or mega rich) pay the huge wages, even if they demand it, then the drivers and staff won't get it. Their power positions will drop, and they'll have to settle for lower amounts.


Exactly, the market will sort itself out. Also once the market is more realistic I'll be able to allow the persons to look at how people in a similar position are paid (combined with a set value of course, to not completely allow the market to crash like it is now at the bottom). That way the requirements will be very realistic as they will fluctuate on demand/offer of the persons and teams.

#70 by Tim Watts
Hey Frank for the power position of staff/drivers. Do they take into account other drivers that are in the team coming through.
e.g will my test driver realize that i have some drivers in the feeder and under 18s that are competing with him for the seat and maybe drop his pants a bit on what he wants?


No they don't, they just look at their power position.
July 10, 2015 01:57 pm

Liechtenstein Matthew Dellit

159 races

2 championships

8 wins

42 podiums

Current team

Liechtenstein DrakenSport Racing

Frank, that driver, tho unhappy with the role, is the first improved contract signed, so even 'unhappy' with everything, he decided racing was better than doing nothing. Nice to see you found the bug though and got rid of it.
July 10, 2015 02:05 pm

Belgium Frank Van Laere Pitwall Administrator

Lokeren

298 races

1 championships

9 wins

34 podiums

Current team

Belgium Skylark Racing
Division 3.2

#72 by Matthew Dellit
Frank, that driver, tho unhappy with the role, is the first improved contract signed, so even 'unhappy' with everything, he decided racing was better than doing nothing. Nice to see you found the bug though and got rid of it.

Great to hear :) You'll see the negotiations are actually much improved, and even if they're very unhappy with one part, they might be convinced if other parts are better than they expected. But all on a realistic base of course, unlike before.
July 10, 2015 02:11 pm

Liechtenstein Matthew Dellit

159 races

2 championships

8 wins

42 podiums

Current team

Liechtenstein DrakenSport Racing

I'll wait to see how one of my senior drivers makes his decision, and also one of my staff. Ive noticed though that all my negotiations, with the + - thing, have had all of them on the + side, so that's probably helping me out a lot too.
July 10, 2015 02:17 pm

New Zealand Daan M

944 races

25 championships

100 wins

258 podiums

Current team

United Kingdom TNF1
Division 2.1

I am slightly baffled how a driver was considering an offer without all the demands met (ie orange and reds); yet when I upped everything with all green ticks on every box, he changed to not an offer he would consider.

We shall see!
July 10, 2015 03:51 pm

Liechtenstein Matthew Dellit

159 races

2 championships

8 wins

42 podiums

Current team

Liechtenstein DrakenSport Racing

My driver that accepted said he wouldn't even look at it, yet he signed
July 10, 2015 03:57 pm

New Zealand Daan M

944 races

25 championships

100 wins

258 podiums

Current team

United Kingdom TNF1
Division 2.1

Yeah one of my youths did that, then signed until S9 bahahaha!
July 10, 2015 04:18 pm

United Kingdom Daniel Stevens

Search YouTube for MCDXCOM

408 races

7 championships

29 wins

94 podiums

Current team

The power position seems to be generally a good idea and i think it will work. But one question - does a driver consider which division they are in? as it is relatively easy to win div 3 as even a competitive division like mine only has around 6 active teams. So an average driver could win every race in the right team - get a big head (high power position) demand a better contract but then have a horrendous time in div 2.

I have always thought that the only major issue with this game is that the divisions were all rated equally. - i know some things like sponsors have been addressed to this and this is linked to power position is this the same with drivers and staff? could you clarify this for me please.
July 10, 2015 04:52 pm

Liechtenstein Matthew Dellit

159 races

2 championships

8 wins

42 podiums

Current team

Liechtenstein DrakenSport Racing

is that all Dan? S11 here :p

Daniel, I noticed in my negotiations, that in the + - section on the right, that my division (2.3) was attractive to them, so maybe the division does hold weight also
July 10, 2015 05:49 pm

Australia Tim Watts

Parkes

156 races

4 championships

14 wins

32 podiums

Current team

Hi Frank

Im just negotiating with one of my existing drivers and i have got green ticks for everything but he still says he "There are one or several points in the contract that are below my minimum expectations. Therefore I'm not interested in what's offered at the moment." Is this a bug?
I also noticed that when negotiating the contract some of the negotiating points give a yellow icon(cant remember the wording). But the salary says this is a joke until you offer them the amount they want. Not sure if this is a bug or not as the yellow icon was in the last version of negotiating
July 11, 2015 05:20 pm

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