Forum topic: Season 16 changes

#10 by Adam Eggbeer
Both. I did 50-odd laps or so on 1/10 grip and at least 10 laps on 1/10 condition.

#10 by Adam Eggbeer
Problems written in that report also say things like "Always, with no exception" when I have proved there is exceptions and there was no mention of it being only dry tyres there, except for items 6-9.

Yes - on inters/wet tyres. As I said, I should have mentioned that I was talking about dry tyres only.

#10 by Adam Eggbeer
There are several variables in the game regarding this and you alone cannot test them all.

I agree, but as I said previously I think the general trend will be the same for all teams.



I also think people are capable of differentiating between a feature tracker entry and a bug tracker entry. Also this tracker entry is called 'feedback/suggestions [...]' so I dont think this is a big issue. Besides that, I dont think the majority of players even bothers to read the tracker entries - people who read them will also know the difference between feature and bug.

I honestly dont think it was wrong to create a tracker entry. If I am (completely) wrong, Frank can easily just close the entry and no harm was done. My intention was just to test the new system as precise as possible I personally can do to provide as much data as possible for Frank. Thats it.

Why is tyre grip not influenced by tyre management? I get the same tyre grip figures using 1 and 5 setup.

After dry running I am updating what I've noticed.

2. Still found pretty much the same info as with the wet. Tyres operated best in the "Range" window between 0.3 and 0.6s even with wear. Only the softs could I not reproduce this with as they gave up the ghost before they were warm enough.

3. Lost around a second between 4/10 and 1/10 grip. Consistant across all 3 tyres. Then I would hit the cliff and lost at least 2 seconds instantly, just like I saw with the wets.

4. Still was able to do several laps on terrible conditions before they break. The hards never reached that point in my testing though.

5. Still saw constant starting temps and used tyres starting at the same as when they were last used.

6. They do fall apart a bit quick but it's similar to last season when the Mediums were brought in. Have a useful purpose but you can't do races solely on them and with things like starting on used tyres and having to use 2 compounds hopefully being introduced then they serve a purpose.

7. Soft tyres took a while for me to warm up and by then the grip had gone.

8. I ran out of grip but could still do several laps on 1/10.

9. Useless at the moment unless temperature can rise and fall during stints as everyone will just set it to the same level for quali and the race.

#12 by Lukas Fenninger
Why is tyre grip not influenced by tyre management? I get the same tyre grip figures using 1 and 5 setup.

I've noticed a small decrease in wear on tyre management setting. Condition is affected more though and allows you to run the tyre for a lot longer.

#13 by Adam Eggbeer
4. Still was able to do several laps on terrible conditions before they break. The hards never reached that point in my testing though.

Yes, Upperwirth is much easier on the tyres (condition only! grip drops faster) than Keimola. I still think its harsh for the dry tyres to break as soon as they hit 1/10 at Keimola. I mean they dont drop one level of condition at each lap - why break in the first lap at terrible.

#13 by Adam Eggbeer
5. Still saw constant starting temps and used tyres starting at the same as when they were last used.

Different for me. Starting temps change when I change driver orders/engine mode (only tested on hard tyres).

#13 by Adam Eggbeer
7. Soft tyres took a while for me to warm up and by then the grip had gone.

Yes, this track they started at low for me. Temp gain and range was okay this time. Still too slow though. Hard tyre is half a second slower than the soft, medium tyre is within half a tenth. So this is a no purpose tyre at the moment, except from qualifying.

#13 by Adam Eggbeer
9. Useless at the moment unless temperature can rise and fall during stints as everyone will just set it to the same level for quali and the race.

Would it be? I would definitely use a different setting for quali than the race. Also for the race you might want to have it start at different temps (1 vs 2 vs 3 stop). But I agree, not the highest of priorities. Dry tyre balancing is much more important.



Comparing this week of testing with the data from last week, there either have been some changes (tyre starting temps are way lower now) or this track is just weird. Less agressive on tyres (softs lifetime is at ~14 laps vs 8 laps last week) BUT tyre grip goes down much quicker.

#14 by Lukas Fenninger
Would it be? I would definitely use a different setting for quali than the race. Also for the race you might want to have it start at different temps (1 vs 2 vs 3 stop). But I agree, not the highest of priorities. Dry tyre balancing is much more important.

I meant that everyone will use the same start temperature for quali as each other and then for the race, teams would do the same. The grip is always going to last for a certain amount of time between 1 or 2 laps so people will make it so they last until that point. I don't think you will see much variation, if any, unless you can cool the tyres, in which case it will open up the strategies far more.